QotD: “there is nothing I want to hear less than a pastor and a fucking professional rapist’s thoughts on pornography”

Porn Pastor_Porn King

So, my city if holding a debate on pornography and as of this moment, both sides (for and against) will be represented by men. Although the demographic of mainstream pornography is men, porn’s affect is on women, and we need to hear their voices. I’m a radical feminism at 100% against pornography, but it’s women who matter in this debate. Please comment on this event and tell them we need to hear from women.

http://porndebate.citychurchevv.com/

Christ almighty there is nothing I want to hear less than a pastor and a fucking professional rapist’s thoughts on pornography.

From Next Years Girl

The presentation here is pretty disgusting – a ‘Porn Pastor’ and a ‘Porn King’ fighting it out over who has control over women’s bodies – like it’s all a big ironic joke; it’s being presented like a wrestling match, as something fake, as something where there is nothing real at stake (you know, like women’s lives?).

16 responses

  1. ellahawthorne100

    Ugh, horrifying!

  2. I can’t think of two people less useful than a fucking pastor and Ron fucking Jeremy in a serious debate about pornography.

  3. Andrea Dworkin (if she was still alive) v Larry Flynt would have been a much better debate.

    I personally would love to see Gail Dines verbally dismember Wendy McElroy.

    But instead we get this shit. Crikey.

  4. My ideal debate would be myself vs. own of my previous sociology professors, a twenty-something year old pompous moron who thought a PhD in fluffy feelings (he would call it a PhD in “happiness and welling”, but I think “fluffy feelings” encompasses that pretty well) made him qualified to talk about gender.

    Seriously though, it would be cool to see Gail Dines debate a pornography crazed man, assuming the pornography crazed man was not allowed to make comments about her physical appearance, threaten her with violence, accuse her of being “bitter” and not getting enough sex or scream about how importance his penis was. Then again that would just be Gail Dines vs. ten minutes of silence, which would actually be pretty cool too.

  5. It’s not really a debate, is it? It’s just two sides of the same argument, only leading to different conclusions.

    To Francois, that would have admittedly made for a good debate, however, it’s very likely that Dworkin would not have been allowed to enter the studio in the first place, given how the media has slandered her as being a violent extremist – which we all know she was anything but. (If anything, that would be a pretty accurate description of the pornographers or the MRAs who support them.) Even if she were allowed the chance to debate, it likely would have devolved into a shouting match with Flynt threatening her with violence and accusing her of being a “bitter man-hating lesbo” and not getting enough sex, just as Independent Radical described.

    And I know this is a bit off-topic, but would any of you people be willing to help me spread the message that I first brought up in an earlier post (https://antipornfeminists.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/qotd-this-isnt-a-i-told-you-so-thing/#comment-9253) about an unfortunate young woman who was co-opted into promoting the industry’s interests. Especially you, Independent Radical, since the woman in question is a fellow resident of your country. I mean, I can’t stand the thought of her continuing to be exploited so cruelly, and I really want to get the message out that she is beautiful and deserves better, but I can’t do it alone.

  6. Scifimaster92,

    I’m just going to copy and paste my comment from the last time:

    I’m not sure your obsession with this particular porn performer is particularly good for you, and I doubt she cares whether you think she deserves better or not.

    From the point of view of the anti-porn movement, when it’s an individual who is high-profile and out-spoken, even if, like Sasha Grey, it may turn out that this is just a facade for abuse, there’s not much any of us can do.

    There is always going to be a handful of such women, who appear to do well, make a load of money and have a great time, and the mainstream would much rather concentrate on them than the vast majority of women who get chewed up and shat out by the porn industry in less than a year.

    If you want to do something about porn, speak out about the negative effects of porn and the abuse of the majority of performers. If the only thing you care about is this one woman, you’re not all that different from her porn fans.

    I will also add that Angela White is on twitter and face book, if you are that desperate to communicate with her, you can.

  7. Thanks for the info! I’ll send her a personal message via Facebook. I hope it does indeed touch her profoundly.

    I apologize if I seemed a bit obsessive, but I really can’t get her out of my mind, and I really do believe she is made for better things in life. The worst part of all this is the fact that she is not alone – like you said, there are literally thousands of other women just like her, forced to prostitute themselves in front of a camera just to pay the rent. If I can get just one of them to speak out, then I feel I have done humanity a huge favour. Of course, like you said, there’s also the possibility that she may have developed something like Complex PTSD or worse, Stockholm Syndrome, and therefore legitimately believes everything that her pimps want her to believe, meaning she will refuse any attempt at outreach.

  8. I’ll spread the word about Angela White if you give me some evidence for what you’re claiming. I don’t doubt that women are exploited by the pornography industry and than forced to talk about how awesome it is in order to maintain the industry’s PR image, but if I am going to be making claims about a specific women I want to make sure they are accurate. Oh, and how physically attractive she is has nothing to do with what she deserves.

  9. Unfortunately, I can’t prove any of this because the sex industry is so adept at censoring the truth about the people in it. In fact, it appears that they have taken down the news article that I mentioned in my other post. The only way I could prove any of this is through her own personal testimony, and I’m still waiting for a response to the message I sent to her on Facebook, assuming she does respond (and assuming that I sent the message to the right person, since there are several people with that name on the site.) Until then, I can only assume that these things are true, seeing what has often happened to other women in the same situation as her, such as Belle Knox or Sasha Grey.

    I apologize if I implied that she is of value only for her looks. I should have said that she is beautiful on the inside as well as the outside.

  10. Correction: I do have one possible bit of proof (although this sort of thing is true for almost any porn performer). In some screenshots of her work, particularly the more violent ones, I have noticed from her facial expressions that she is clearly in pain. Most of the time she tries to hide it, as is pretty much required in porn, but sometimes she can’t even do that. I would rather not link any examples, however they can easily be accessed via Google Images by typing up “angela white (insert sex act)”, since for some unfathomable reason Google Images no longer blocks results from porn sites.

  11. The lesson here is save everything. Most news sites have printer-friendly versions you can save as a pdf, otherwise, screen-cap.

  12. Or she’s a really good actress. I wouldn’t use porn movies alone as evidence for someone’s state of mind.

  13. Yeah, I thought about what you said, and maybe I really am risking my sanity for someone I don’t even know, who furthermore might possibly be so utterly broken psychologically and/or emotionally that she is beyond help.

    On the other hand, what if the message of support that I sent her on Facebook does have an impact on her? What then?

  14. Scifimaster92,

    I don’t want to be mean to you, but this is a woman whose entire life is ‘in public’, she probably gets 100s of messages a week, and a significant number of them will be from men (and women) like you who want to ‘save’ her, I doubt yours will stand out in any way.

  15. You’re right. I do genuinely hope that someday she finds the courage to find a way out of the industry, but for now, I guess this is all that can be done.

  16. On a different note, I feel that this quote by Noam Chomsky perfect illustrates exactly what’s going on here with this phony debate: “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

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