This buttery butter “it’s degrading to say it’s degrading” rhetoric drives me up the wall.
ah, so it basically boils down to the ”everything women do is feminist and empowering and if you point out that it isn’t the case then YOU are the ones oppressing them” libfem and anti-feminist rhetoric. Yes, anti-feminists often try the ol’ argument that if sexism exists, then it’s only perpetrated by feminists who are oppressing women by not co-signing everything a woman does which equates them to being passive victims or denies their agency. I’m not really surprised, but still disappointed to see liberal feminists stooping to that level.
What is with this butt-stupid worldview that someone can’t willingly participate in, nay, even enjoy something that’s oppressive, violent, and harmful to themselves and others? Like the entire history of the world is a chronicle of all the ways human beings have come up with to harm one another and there have ALWAYS been gleeful participants, and a portion of them have ALWAYS been the people on the losing end! Like how can you be a feminist and recognize that in a male supremacist culture women can internalize misogyny and believe/do harmful things against themselves and others because of it, that gaslighting and abusive conditioning exist, and then out of the other side of your mouth be like “BUT IF WOMEN LIKE IT AND DO IT WILLINGLY IT’S GOOD! IT’S JUST AS BAD TO MAKE US FEEL BAD FOR LIKING IT!”
Oh and also, your “free sexual expression” begins and ends at the barriers of your own fucking body. You can’t call consuming and getting off to pornography, an inherently abusive institution, YOUR free sexual expression when it involves people you’ve never even met.