“Footage the porn industry doesn’t want you to see”

I really was in two minds about putting up this YouTube video (found via The Porcupine Campaign) as it is so shocking and disturbing to watch. To be absolutely on the safe side, I am putting it below the fold, and giving a very clear warning:

WARNING, CONTAINS CONTENT THAT MAY BE TRIGGERING OR OTHERWISE TRAUMATISING

Obviously, it is also not safe for work.

I think it’s important to show this video, as it shows the ‘working’ conditions in the mainstream of the LA porn industry. This is not something hidden away where nobody knows about it, this is the norm of a massive global industry producing the mainstream of heterosexual pornography. Sex industry advocates like to pretend that it’s just the occasional ‘bad apple’, and any way, any abuse that does occur is no different to any other workplace exploitation, this video shows that it isn’t.

It also needs to be emphasised that, with out such abusive ‘work place’ conditions, it would be impossible to make mainstream heterosexual pornography. Such pornography is the record of abuse, the fact that the woman gets paid for it at the end is irrelevant.

 

 

68 responses

  1. This video has opened my eyes SO wide. Thank you so much for sharing. It seriously brought me to tears. All women are beautiful and worthy of respect and reverence. Obviously the porn industry is trying to assure that this ideal for society is never attained.

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    Important. I think people should also know that many of the girls killed in Juarez were used in snuff films and their injuries are consistent with imagery used in such deadly films.

  3. Good point Swaneagle, as any recorded sex act is pornography.

    For info on Juarez see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_homicides_in_Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez

    The victims of these crimes have preponderantly been young women, between 12 and 22 years of age. Many were students, and most were maquiladora [manufacturing] workers. A number were relative newcomers to Ciudad Juárez who had migrated from other areas of Mexico. The victims were generally reported missing by their families, with their bodies found days or months later abandoned in vacant lots, outlying areas or in the desert. In most of these cases there were signs of sexual violence, torment, torture or in some cases disfigurement.

  4. I wonder who the perpetrators of these lethal crimes against women living in Ciudad Juarez are? Are they martians or even fairies perhaps or horrors perhaps the perpetrators were all males. Passive language only serves to reinforce invisibility of male accountability and I note the sex of the victims who lived in and around Ciudad Juarez was not omitted and so the obvious question is why?

    If we cannot even name sex of the agents committing these crimes against women what hope is there for men’s crimes against women to even be recognised when the focus is always on what happened to the women rather than writing/saying this ‘unknown male(s) raped, tortured and then murdered another young woman who lived in Cidudad Juarez. Now if it was women or girls committing these crimes male supremacist tool the mainstream media would have named sex of the perpetrators and ensured its readers were in no doubt women/girls were the ones responsible for these femicides – but male perpetrators continue to be accorded invisibility and denial of any accountability. That’s the way to go to ensure male supremacy remains intact and unaccountable.

  5. [...] exists because of inequity (let’s please not pretend as though porn treats women, en masse, with respect), I find it a little dishonest and misguided to advocate for mandatory condom use as though this [...]

  6. [...] We live in a world in which a global, $97 billion dollar a year industry known as pornography turns violence against women into public entertainment for men. We live in a world in which violence against women is not only [...]

  7. Death penalty for pornographers and rapists!

  8. FUCK OFF WITH YOUR GAY ASS BLOG BLOODY HELL, who wouldn’t want to have sex for a living? and if you’re unhappy with whats being done to you say no or just stop its not that hard, open your eyes people.

  9. The sheer stupidity and arrogance of men is hard to fathom sometimes. Take the above comment.

    Who wouldn’t want to have sex for a living? The very question reveals that the man making this comment has not one shred of imagination or the ability to empathise with anyone who is not exactly like him (ie, he cannot empathise with any woman).

    He would love to be paid to stick his dick in a woman, therefore everyone would love to be paid to have sex.

    He is literally unable to fathom what prostitution is like for a woman, he cannot imagine what it is like to submit to unwanted penetration ten times a day (which is the reality of what the ‘non-glamorous’ end of the sex industry is like).

    Would this man like to be simultaneously anally and orally penetrated in return for money he desperately needs? The fact that he uses “GAY ASS” as a pejorative suggests not.

    He also thinks we can stop rapists just by saying ‘no’! He doesn’t understand that there are millions of women around the world who can’t say ‘no’, who don’t get a chance to say ‘no’, who will face severe consequences if they say ‘no’, and that men don’t listen when we say ‘no’ anyway.

    His comment is even more amazing when one considers the post it is under. Did he watch the video and come to the conclusion that the women in it was enjoying what was happening to her? that she just wasn’t saying ‘no’ clearly enough to stop her abuse? that the men assaulting her just wouldn’t be able to understand that she was in pain and distressed?

    Was he literally unable to see her suffering and her distress?

    This man has demonstrated that he is an arrogant, solipsistic simpleton, incapable of any empathy, but he thinks we are the ones who need to ‘open our eyes’!

  10. ‘Who wouldn’t want to have sex for a living?’ Please, define ‘sex’. Sex for men means any man stikcing his dick somewhere until orgasm. That a woman might not have an orgasm or even get any pleasure out of it is irrelevant. That she might actually feel pain is also irrelevant. Because ‘sex’, no matter how it is defined, is always good, dixit sex-pozzies. And because sex = porn in pornworld, porn is good, right? And forget about any woman’s perspective, any harm she might feel, any damage she might suffer in the name of ‘sex’, which seems to have become nothing more than a commercial product for men, built from the exploitation of women.

  11. Chauvinism is the twin of racism, homophobia, nazism and any other attitude of inherant supremacy. It leaves women and children as vulnerable as Jews were to Nazis and suffering in numbers of deaths the equivalent of the Holocaust every single year. Pornography is simply media promotion of chauvinist supremacy eroticised. Everyone that watches a violently bigoted media form is self grooming themselves and to think this form of media or media user is inheritantly more sophisticated than other media users is pure evil towards women and children.

  12. […] saying: one day, I’m going to get hurt real bad and my ass is going to fall out). Or there is this footage (TRIGGER WARNING, the content is very disturbing), if you want to see what it’s like when […]

  13. If you don’t want to be subjected to all that shit then don’t become a porn star plain and simple. I like my porn to be rough so its going to be rough. If I hated working on computers, I’m not going to get a job working on computers. Period.
    The only issue is STDs. Easy solution, you need to get checked up, or consent to not having to.

  14. The callousness of men never fails to astound me. Here is another man who managed to watch this film and to decide that there is nothing wrong with what he saw. The woman ‘chose’ to be there, so she ‘chose’ to be abused (who would choose to be “subjected to all that shit” anyway?). He wants to consume violent porn, so violent porn sets are necessary. Once again a man demonstrates that he thinks his erection matters more than women’s lives.

  15. Totally agree. Also, shelley says in her video that she frquently agreed to one scene, only to have something completely different asked of her on camera. The inhumanity of this john shines through words, hope to god hes not a teacher, doctor or someone with access to women or children.

  16. Hi Derrington, and thank you for your comment.

  17. …Naive. Your fancy language (both from the woman in the movie as from the commenters) suggests you are intelligent and know what you are talking about.

    The numerous sophisms, the lack of Amy logic at all, the tact that none of you suggest solutions and all of you fail to look at this from any other perspective then your own however, do not. They are an indication of a lack of knowledge of how the world Works and that you are nothing more than a bunch of sexually disappointed over-aged women, ego actualy suffer from a lack of empathy themselves.

    Last year 60 mail men died on the job! Shut down the mail industry!

    Pathetic

  18. The sheer tedious arrogance of men who come here with their patronising, condescending, obviously-not-proof-read (that ellipsis! those random capitalisations!), finger-wagging.

    He throws around ‘fancy’ words like naive and sophisms, as if they were trump cards that somehow proved his argument without him having to actually demonstrate anything. What is he referring to exactly, when he makes those claims? Real manly-men never have to explain themselves properly, right?

    He says we suggest no solutions, even though Lubben, in the video, repeatedly said that the state of California should enforce health and safety legislation, such as condom use, or shut down the adult film industry.

    Does he need spoon-feeding? Don’t consume porn, don’t make porn, if you run a credit card company, don’t facilitate monetary transactions for the porn industry. If you do these things, you are participating in a massive human rights violation. There’s my solution.

    He says we fail to look at this from any other perspective – which perspectives should we be looking at? That of men who love violent porn? The ‘Free Speech Coalition’, which is a lobby group for the California porn industry that claims to speak on behalf of porn performers, and says that performers don’t want to use condoms, and that it’s unreasonable for pornographers to check whether or not they are using under-age performers? Which ‘perspective’ are we missing here?

    He says we don’t know how the world works – this is pure empty rhetoric and means nothing. Also, Lubben is an ex porn performer, she knows very well how the world works.

    He calls us “sexually disappointed over-aged women” – wow, trying to intimidate and discredit us with sexual insults, that’s so original. The problem here is apparently ours, for not enjoying violent, degrading sex.

    Also, lets have a quick lol at him calling us “over-aged”, “under-aged” means under the age of consent, so he’s ‘insulted’ us by saying we’re over the age of consent! Nothing fucked up or paedophilic going on there!

    He also accused us of “[suffering] from a lack of empathy [ourselves].” Are we supposed to empathise with the men who torture women on porn sets? Are we supposed to empathise with the men who masturbate to images of women being tortured? Again he’s throwing out empty insults without actually demonstrating anything.

    He makes the comparison with deaths in the mail industry. The difference between the sex industry and any other industry, is that the sex industry is the only industry where the harm is the work. Being a soldier is not being paid to go and step on a land mine, even though that is a risk involved with being a soldier. Being a miner is not being paid to have a mine collapsed on top of you, although that is a risk involved with being a miner. Being in the sex industry however, means that the ‘work’ is being sexually tortured. That’s the reality of submitting to unwanted sex with 30 men a night in a legal flat-rate brothel in Germany, that’s the reality of being on a legal porn set in California.

    What’s really galling about these arrogant, tedious men, is that they have somehow managed to watch the above video, and not seen anything wrong with any of it.

    Come on dudebros, show some back-bone here, watch the video, name the time point, and demonstrate to me how what you see there is a-ok.

  19. Yes. Hes totally without humanity.

  20. What I meant to say is his lack of humanity towards women and children is evidence of his psychopathic attitude to anyone not male … men like him, chauvinists, believe anyone not male is a different, inferior species, hence their talking down to females whilst not even being able to spell correctly or evidence any of their points. Because in the end, pornography is chauvinistic hate media baited with sex as the honeytrap. People watch it and wank to it whilst absorbing the ‘women are evil, dirty creatures with depraved attitudes towards men and who use sex as a manipulation of men’. The fact that the Government endorses this as ‘free speech’ shows just how little democracy functions for women.

  21. I really do wonder how men manage to watch the video above and come to the conclusion that nothing is wrong.

    How much violent porn does a man need to have masturbated to, and from what age, to completely remove his ability to empathise?

    You’re right Derrington, men like that do not see women as fully human.

  22. Chauvinism is learnt psychopathy towards women and children

  23. If porn really was adults watching other fully informed, consenting adults experiencing beautiful, pleasurable sex without any kind of pain and/or humilation and every single act engaged in was chosen, consented to and done safely, then I would not have any problem with it at all. I would consider it a perfectly acceptable form if adult entertainment.

    Sadly, porn is very far from the above description. The video showed women crying, yelling ‘it hurts, it hurts’, screaming pain, shouting stop and no and please don’t do that to me. There is nothing consentual about that. There is nothing healthy about finding that a turn on. It’s sick and abusive.

    The very worst part of this is not just that it is happening but also that it is teaching boys and men how to treat women. This is frightening. Young women are being subjected to the same treatment behind closed doors with increasing numbers going to hospitals and doctors for serious sexual injuries.

    The pro-porn men who are justifying this need to picture themselves as fathers of a teeny-tiny baby. Imagine watching her grow up, calling them daddy and looking to them for love, protection, kindness and wisdom. And then, imagine their baby girl violated, bleeding, bruised, crying and asking, ‘why?’

  24. Hello Bastet, and thank you for your comment.

    I take issue with the last paragraph though, men should be able to show compassion for all women and girls, not just the ones that ‘belong’ to them. This kind of thinking risks recreating the virgin/whore dichotomy, where some women are seen as ‘good’ and worthy of protection, while other women are seen as ‘bad’ and deserving everything they get

  25. Also, even ‘good’ porn (if such a thing existed) is problematic, as it sets the user up as a voyeur, and objectifies sex.

  26. I strongly disagree with you. The current view is ‘those women’, ‘other’, ‘nothing to do with me’, ‘not my mother, daughter, sister, wife, friend, neighbour…’. By using the imagination of ‘my’ it personalises it, breaking through the barrier of otherness.

    Sexuality, voyeurism and objectification are not automatically one and the same thing. It is actually possible for porn to be made that shows whole human beings making love. With the behind the scenes having no abuse, no drugs, no coersion, no minors etc.

    To me, saying that any and all displays of human sexuality are automatically objevtification would be akin to saying it’s wrong for a couple to kiss hello in public. My personsl goal is harm-minimisation, if not eradication.

  27. “By using the imagination of ‘my’ it personalises it, breaking through the barrier of otherness.”

    Well, you are entitled to you opinion. I disagree with it, but I’m not interested in arguing round in circles, I’ve stated my thinking on the subject already.

    “Sexuality, voyeurism and objectification are not automatically one and the same thing. It is actually possible for porn to be made that shows whole human beings making love. With the behind the scenes having no abuse, no drugs, no coersion, no minors etc.”

    Even ‘alt’ porn involves lots of stopping and starting and holding the body at odd angles to allow the cameras access, it’s still a performance for the camera, therefore still voyeurism. Sure, you could have a static unobtrusive camera in the room and hope it picked up something interesting, but I doubt it would sell. You just have to read the accounts of the actresses in Blue is the Warmest Colour – who were only faking sex – to see how impossible it is in reality to film “whole human beings making love”

    “To me, saying that any and all displays of human sexuality are automatically objevtification would be akin to saying it’s wrong for a couple to kiss hello in public.”

    I did not say that “any and all displays of human sexuality are automatically objectification”, I said I did not believe in ‘good porn’, I don’t believe porn even is a genuine expression of human sexuality, it is a simulacrum.

    “My personsl goal is harm-minimisation, if not eradication.”

    Gee, I’m into eradicating harm too. It seems to me, though, that you put your own self-interest – your desire to get off to porn without feeling bad about it – over that goal.

  28. I don’t actually watch porn. Biased much?

  29. I really don’t know why you feel the need to alienate an ally who shares the goal of harm minimisation and the education of harm within pornography by slinging mud in a slanderous fashion against a person you don’t know and haven’t tried to get to know just because we have slightly variant opinions on depictions of sex and sexuality.

    I don’t watch porn because it doesn’t appeal to me. As a westerner, I have been exposed to it. I’ve never bought it, hired it or sought it out, let alone masturbated to it and got off to it. The porn that I have been exposed to has in fact made me feel quite queezy, ill at ease and grossed out. I’ve not had the same reaction to sex scenes in telwvision series and movies. My opinion is not based on morality or personal turn-ons and turn-offs. It is based on harm minimisation and solid feminist theory.

    I will not mud sling and character assassinate you in turn because I feel it is antithetical to the goals of harm minimisation we share.

  30. Bastet,

    You wrote:

    Sexuality, voyeurism and objectification are not automatically one and the same thing. It is actually possible for porn to be made that shows whole human beings making love. With the behind the scenes having no abuse, no drugs, no coersion, no minors etc.

    Now how am I, or anyone else, supposed to read that and not come to the conclusion that you were speaking as a porn consumer?

  31. I think this person lacks the ability to understand that the whole point of porn is to eroticise the subjugation of females. If you believe in equality then porn is directly against that belief as it is gradually reintroducing acceptance of slavery and racial stereotyping as acceptable human practise. The nudity is simply window dressing to get people to buy intothe political message behind it.

  32. Is it really that difficult to understand opinions that differ to your own, marginally, may have just as much validity as your own and there isn’t a lack of understanding but rather a different conclusion?

    There is not a single subject matter on the planet that is universally agreed upon in all details right down to the absolute minutae.

    Can you not talk directly about the actual subject without resorting to; ‘you must get off on it’, ‘this person doesn’t understand’? Personal attacks lack reason and are not even on topic.

    I’ll be leaving this conversation now because I’m not here to defend my right to exist, think for myself and come to my own conclusions. I came here to discuss harm minimisation of serious abuse, what can be done about it and to be part of the solution.That stopped happening a few comments ago. I find it sad that people who agree with and will fight to change abuse of women in porn cannot ally with anti-porn advocates to affect real change unless we agree 100% that all depictions of sex are abusive and all porn must be banned. To me, that’s extremist. It’s really not much different to vegans calling vegetarians ‘animal murderers’. And it all it does is alienate people who could have been friends and allys. I now have grave doubts this movement will succeed in harm minimisation because there is fragmentation. That honestly makes me so sad.

  33. I think you are blowing this out of all proportion, you said things that made it sound like you were a porn consumer, and I responded to that.

    If I went to a vegan forum and said “it is actually possible for animals to be farmed and slaughtered in a way that is cruelty free,” would I then have the right to get upset if other people there though I was a meat eater?

  34. Im sorry you feel so alienated by responses, mine included. I cant see how you can have harm minimisation in an industry which embraces harm as a reason d’etre. Using hate language to describe a whole race of people (females) would suggest to me that the harm is meant and intrinisic to the product. That seems to me to be the crux of the problem. How would you suggest you could minimise the abuse and produce porn that men and some women want to watch with no hate language and no portrayed inferiority of one race in regard to the other?

  35. That’s a brilliant question, Derrington.

    In the form that porn is made now, I agree with you, that it represents a form of gender apartheid, very obvious power imbalance and hate speech.

    Examples of non-abusive sex scenes exist in tv and movies. The digference being, the sex is faked.

    An entire overhaul of the industry is the only way, that I am able to see, (maybe there are other ways but I can’t see them) to remove the abuse, hate speech etc. Literally, taking porn from depictions of abusive sex with a flimsy, barely-there storyline and flipping it on its head. A whole story, good acting, three dimensional characters and a reason to watch it that isn’t just sex and shock-value. In other words tv and movies with sex scenes in a transparent industry where actors are sober, their personal boundaries are respected, there’s no unexpected surprises that deviate from the agreed upon script, safety is tantamount, condoms are used etc

    So, people aren’t watching bodies having sex; they’re watching whole characters and strong storylines with sex scenes.

    True Blood is darn close to that scenario. There are scenes in it, that have been a bit gross. Unsurprisingly, given it’s a vampire series. Another example of a tv series that’s close to that scenario is Spartacus, Blood and Sand. And, I’m sure there’s a lot more.

    I can’t help thinking the problem isn’t sex scenes per/se but power imbalance, abuse, hate speech, physical harm, lack of safety precautions, lack of character development that leaves only a body thus objectification and a disconnect from sexuality being a part of humanity.

  36. That just doesn’t work in the real world, for so many reasons.

    Porn performers aren’t know for their acting skills, and the whole point of acting is that it’s not real. Sure, some actors are friends or in relationships in real life, but acting is still, fundamentally, not real.

    Why would any regular actor want to have ‘real’ sex on camera? If ‘real’ sex became a regular part of mainstream film and TV, then young women who want to be actors would be under tremendous pressure to have ‘real’ sex on camera, there is already the pressure on women starting out in the industry to get naked, for example all the naked extras in the brothel scenes in Game of Thrones.

    Please read this report on Blue is the Warmest Colour – a critically (but not universally) acclaimed Palme D’Or winning art house film – to see how abusive regular film sets can get when filming a fake, but authentic appearing (maybe) sex scene. Also notice that it took 10 days to film a 10 minute scene; now imagine adding ‘real’ sex to such a shoot.

    In both porn and acting, there are intrusive cameras and multiple takes. With acting, it could take dozens of takes to get the right facial expressions – imagine trying to do that while having sex. In porn the men have to take Viagra, and use artificial lubricant because the women aren’t aroused, why would it be any different on an HBO set?

    If you want “whole characters and strong storylines”, that means the kind of acting that involves taking hours to get a few minutes of final film. What you’re asking for is contradictory, you want a well-acted (ie faked) sex scene, but with real penetration etc. To film authentic unsimulated sex, to Hollywood standards, is impossible, because the lights and the sound boom and the cameras and the make-up and hair people and the director and the re-takes intrude.

    If you’re happy with the simulated sex scenes you see on TV already (and it’s not like True Blood etc. are entirely unproblematic as a whole), why is it so important to you to see a real erection and real penetration in there too?

    Also, what you’re asking for doesn’t work as an economic model, if it did, it would already exist. Porn works by shooting cheap (performers are only paid once, by the sex act), all the profit is behind the camera, in the distribution, where images can be re-cut and re-sold endlessly.

    In fact, as much as ‘high quality’ porn, with sets and story lines can happen, it’s already happened:

    For the last three years in a row, he has taken home the award for Director of the Year at the Adult Video News Awards, porn’s version of the Oscars. His films — high-budget adaptations of geeky franchises like Star Wars, Star Trek and Superman that sell for $30 to $40 per DVD — are called parodies for legal purposes, but they’re really closer to erotic fanfiction.

    He’s not the only one in porn using mainstream movies and comic books for inspiration, but he’s certainly the most successful. While the performers regroup for their next scene, Braun explains the economics of his particular brand of porn parody. “Normally, a porn movie only sells maybe 800 or 1,000 DVDs. We sell 50,000 or 60,000 DVDs. It’s a huge difference,” he says in an accent inflected with notes of his native Italian. “It’s because I really go after this demographic — I don’t even care if porn consumers buy my movies [...]

    The clean versions of Braun’s films are shorter versions of his features, 25 or 30 minutes (or more — the sex-free version of the three and a half hour-long Star Wars XXX was over an hour). And Braun insists that a large share of his customers are buying the films just to watch that.

    “The biggest compliment is when people write to me and tell me that they didn’t even watch the porn version of the movie, they just like the no-sex version,” he says.

    Why would someone watch the sexless version of a porn? Because it’s the only way some fans will ever get to see their favorite characters or storylines adapted for film.

    Please do check it out and report back.

    You’re also ignoring the demand for abusive porn, men don’t watch gonzo porn because there’s nothing better available, abusive porn exists because there is demand for it.

    On a final note, if you’re going to leave comments on my blog (especially after you said you were “leaving this conversation”), at least have the courtesy to address the points I’ve made.

  37. I think I speak for those of us who use porn because partner sex is unavailable to us and for some, this has been the case for years, even decades. We couldn’t care less about the women in porn other than their ability to bring us to climax. After all these women have easy, constant sex with a wide variety of very good looking people. We on the other hand, those who are sexually lonely, have nothing but our hand and a computer screen and the knowledge that no woman will agree to have any kind of skin to skin contact with us. So really….why should we even think twice about these people?

  38. Did this man even watch the video above? Which part of that woman’s ordeal looked ‘easy’ to him?

    At least he’s being honest, he doesn’t care if women are being tortured to facilitate his orgasms, his penis matters more than women’s lives.

    His decades of porn use have also warped his sense of reality, if he really believes that women in porn enjoy what they’re doing (either that, or else he is completely unaware of the massive contradiction in his statement: he doesn’t care about women being tortured to make porn, because those women being tortured are having a great time).

    It’s actually rather sad, and echoes something I think I heard first from Rebecca Whisnant: if you are watching porn because you are lonely, it’s only going to make you more lonely.

    He complains that women will never offer him “skin to skin contact”, so he uses porn, and he has become so callous he is happy to admit he doesn’t give a shit about women being tortured to make the porn he jerks off to – how is jerking off to images of women being tortured a good substitute for human contact?

    Was this particular jerk-off always a callous piece of shit that any smart woman would steer well clear of, or did decades of porn use make him that way?

  39. Thats what you get for being a whore..whores deserve no respect (men/women) both are the substitute of society..if you dont like getting fucked by a bunch of random men then dont fucking do prostitution..and about those diseases..you earned them you dummies..thats what sleeping with others (for money) gets you..you got yourself in that condition..dont fucking blame the government..i hope you all get aids so we can get rid of all those work in the porn industry.

  40. Men really do hate women.

    (And what’s the chances that this dudebro’s a porn user and a john? Pretty high I’d reckon)

  41. I FIND THIS REALLY EASY TO MASTURBATE TO.

  42. Men really really really hate women.

  43. Wow , I have never thought of it this way. All we do is sit her and watch it without actually knowing what they are feeling or going through behind the scenes. Our pleasure is a women pain and suffering. They don’t have a choice either some of them don’t have a way to make money, also it can be impossible to have a normal life after being in the porn industry. Shaking my own head. Overlooked part of the industry.

  44. 1337 Not sure how you can overlook the central core of the sex industry – the real abuse of females as an inferior race/caste/gender, filmed to inflate the male viewer’s ego as a member of the superior race. An industry that regularly uses slavery, coercion and drug baiting of female children (the average age of entry into the sex industry is 13), plus the use of hate speech to describe the females and underage employees surely must have given you a clue to the fact that a human rights violation is going on right in front of you on screen … men tend to split off fragments of the sex industry which they don’t feel comfortable with and rebrand the consumers/commissioners of these parts as ‘idiots’ or paedos or ‘weirdos’ – but underneath all of it is the constant eroticising of male supremacy over various ‘objects’ be they animal or human.

  45. I have a question. I was doing some research on the asian porn industry. i found some very disturbing videos in which [EDIT: CONTENT REMOVED]. I would like to know if these women actually sign a contract agreeing with this horrible sexual abbuse or are they are being held against their will and being painfully abused against their consent. If someone could reply to me ASAP. Thank you.

  46. I bet you got a big fat erection fantasizing about getting women to read graphic descriptions of sexual violence against women.

    You can fuck off with your racist, misogynistic fantasies, and your ~research~

    I mean really, why would anyone doing genuine research on the sex industry think I would know exactly what happened during the making of every single piece of pornography in the whole world ever?

  47. In any other area of human existence, it is not considered possible for someone to consent to be harmed. No one would argue, in relation to an unsafe factory, that the man who had his arm ripped off consented to work there, had a contract to work with that piece of machinery, knew what he was getting himself into, so it’s all fine. In that kind of situation, people recognise the inequality, the poverty, the lack of meaningful choice, but add a (male) orgasm into the equation, and suddenly the rules change.

    It doesn’t matter if the women being tortured in porn signed a contract, they are still being harmed. It doesn’t matter if they sighed a detailed contract stipulating exactly how they could be tortured, and that contract was followed; It doesn’t matter if they sighed a detailed contract stipulating exactly how they could be tortured, and that contract was ignored on set; it doesn’t matter if they signed a vague contract and didn’t know what was going to happen on set; it doesn’t matter if they were abducted off the street and held at gun point; it doesn’t matter if she was paid properly, or if the cheque bounced – in all those circumstances, a woman was tortured for male orgasms, she was harmed, she was harmed even if she ‘chose’ to do it because she needed the money.

  48. Totally… and why do they always put the photo they took at the beginning of the shoot at the end in order to make out that its all alright, no one really got hurt and its all consensual … media manipulation of torture porn ..

  49. […] being penetrated, the ones being grabbed and slapped, the ones getting ejaculate in their eyes. It is not the same as being a male performer; pornographers know that they could get almost any random dude in off the street, and he’d be […]

  50. These ladies made their own choices ..

  51. Ah yes, those magical choosy choices that make all the problems go away!

    So what if the woman was poor; so what if she signed a contract agreeing to do one thing, and then a totally different thing happened on set; so what if she thought it would be ok, and then it wasn’t; so what if society only applies the ‘choices’ argument to women being abused in the sex industry, and never, say, to men getting their arms ripped off by unsafe machinery (nobody ever says unsafe machinery is ok because men ‘choose’ to work with it), because, choices!

    So what if trafficked women and children are used to make porn; so what if parents pimp out their own children for live-streamed abuse in, for example, the Philippines; so what if every rapist with a camera phone is a pornographer, those magical choosy choices will make all the problems go away!

  52. Busted kayla

  53. By these standards, nobody should have a job, ever. Have I been told “it’s just this” and it turns out to be that and this plus that? Plenty of times. And the scene stops and I just don’t perform. I have even left a set. Plenty of people go to work and end up being “forced” to do things they don’t want, covering shifts they are too tired to cover, screwing over people they wouldn’t have in their good nature. For the money. And ever so often people do stand up for themselves and say no.

    I also find it funny how everyone who has an unpopular opinion is a man and wrong… This isn’t feminism, it’s man hating.

  54. You are basically just shitting on all the women (and men) abused in the sex industry, you should be ashamed of yourself.

    “This isn’t feminism, it’s man hating.”

    Oh wah wah, go suck-up to some ~male feminists~ on a libfem blog, you’re not going to shut me up with accusations of ~man hating~, you amateur.

    And speaking of amateurism, radical feminism is the ‘unpopular opinion’, if you’re going to try to insult me, at least get a clue as to what you are talking about!

  55. Ester, not sure why you would even come on a site that is anti a media that promotes calling women and children by terms of contempt and carries messages and storylines that all rape victims are essentially liars who lured men into raping them. Promoting violent sexualised contempt for women and children isnt feminism, no matter how personally or financially empowering it may feel to you as an individual women. You cant be in the union and a strikebreaker simultaneously.

  56. “You cant be in the union and a strikebreaker simultaneously.”

    Very good take on the subject! Why are supposedly ‘sex positive’ advocates of ‘feminist porn’ not spending their time and energy routing out these abusive situations?

    Instead, they spend their time and energy denying and covering up.

  57. I see these people as sexism positive rather than sex positive. I cannot think of anything less sexually positive than being called a cunt for having sex – these women must turn themselves inside out and back to front trying to make a silk purse out of that particular sow’s ear.

  58. I have to say that the comments (replies) by some of the women here to the men or to those of different opinions/suggestions/conclusions are making the entire subject lose its power. The way it comes across to me is that if you are not in 100% agreement with the more radical people here then your opinion is void and in fact you deserve to die or at least get your genitals removed. Sad and extremely counterproductive.

  59. Which “opinions/suggestions/conclusions” are those then? That the women being abused in porn choose it, deserve it, like it?

    This is such a flimsy, pointless argument, yes I disagree with people who disagree with me! and I’m not going to be polite to people (men) who think women are sub-human and ‘choose’ to be abused.

    Sucking up to men who think women are sub-human isn’t going to change anything, nobody gives up power/privilege/control out of the kindness of their hearts, and the porn-sick dudebros who come here to say how much they love masturbating to the video above are not allies, and do not deserve civil treatment here.

    You also haven’t bothered to read the comment thread properly either (no surprises there), I have given detailed replies to people who disagree with me on several occasions.

    You are a misogynist who can’t stand women who have opinions of their own and express them without apology.

  60. okay, so i am a nymphomaniac, i know there is a different name for it for men but im not to sure what it is so we will just use that, but even being a nympho, i dont find that shit arousing at all, i mean im into alot of things, but when the female im with is uncomfortable i stop whatever it is and apologize and such, but there is a point that is too far, there is alot about sex that is painful, and i admit i like to do some of those things, but i do get direct consent and i stop if its to much for them to handle, now mind you i am a sex addict, a person that has a legitament addiction, yet people that dont, ya know people in this industry, seem to have little to no restraint and its sad, because i mean, first off im very protective of females, i hate seeing them hurt in any way, and i mean knowing that i cant do much to help pisses me off in the first place, second, i mean fuck being a man or a woman for a second and think, in reality regardless of sex or race or anything else that makes a person different, no one deserves that kind of abuse. now i want it to be known that i am a man, a straight man at that, and i do stand for some feminist views. this being one of them.

  61. Loren – a lot of incoherence to say you agree that porn abuse is wrong! But as a sex addict you use porn – yes?

  62. A good video to spread the much needed awareness people seem ignorant of. Sadly, as porn is a global powerhouse generating lots of money, I can’t see any immediate effect causing it to end anytime soon. As long as drug, alcohol and mental/physical abuse exists in the modern world, so will porn. There’s no such thing as moderation in porn…

  63. Outrageous. A true depiction of what goes on behind the ‘glamorous’ porn industry. It cannot occur to me how violence against women, in any form is condoned, let alone distributed across the world as entertainment. To keep it short, women in porn are dehumanized and degraded to the fullest capacity. These women are human beings, they are our daughters, mothers, sisters. They are not toys or playthings.

    It’s time we men learn to treat all women with respect, and not just our own.

  64. Wow I never knew that went on. I used to think that white women liked getting treated like that in porno because that’s how society makes it seem. I now change my view but if you don’t like it don’t be a sex worker. Unfortunately there are no boundaries in sex that’s what people want you to think. If you think that you can be choosy you won’t get booked. These women know how dangerous it can, not always but can be. They want money so be prepared after all your not a runway model or a top flying model where you can demand some things its sex. Old pervs at home need to jerk off if that means saying rude words and spanking a bit too hard so be it you signed up for it. And by the way men do not hate women they just do not respect certain women which is why those types of women will never be their wives instead they will watch them getting abused and tucked and jerk off. How does that mean men hate women. Don’t be a hoe, a prostitute and expect a standing ovation like you have discovered a new cure or have done something outstanding. You fuck for money so satisfying the men. Sorry that the water sports was too much or the anal hurt today. Find a different job ladies. The porn industry was created for men to jerk off originally period ain’t nothing changed. Women need to know their place it not fucking for money. Try having children being a good wife a professional a teacher a cook. Not fucking for doe then complaining that it hurt too much. Come on women wake up. I’m a women by the way a real women who would not want my 2 girls fucking for doe blame your parents or understand your job but do not blame men how dare you modern women.

  65. This comment is crazy and I’m letting it through mostly so that my regular readers can see the kind of bat-shit I have to deal with.

    No, cee, I don’t believe you’re a woman, because the vast majority of hits this blog gets, specifically this post, is through search engine terms for violent porn.

    Also what women would write a line like this: “Wow I never knew that went on. I used to think that white women liked getting treated like that in porno because that’s how society makes it seem.”

    The ‘white women’ bit stinks of a certain stripe of male ‘social justice’ tumblrite, who tries to hide his misogyny by appending ‘white’ in front of women etc. These men are almost always white themselves as well.

    Also, it isn’t like black and other non-white women aren’t treated just as badly in porn.

    Also, how can the commenter not know this stuff goes on in porn while still knowing what messages porn puts out? The only thing different from gonzo porn about the above video is that the distress of the woman disrupted filming, instead of simply being part of the final porn.

    Even if you are a woman, that doesn’t stop you being a misogynist, and your views are most definitely misogynist, you think that certain women are asking to be abused, and that they are to blame for this abuse because they ‘chose’ it.

    Lots of women do think this way of course, it’s a self defence mechanism to separate yourself from ‘those’ women, those dumb whores who should have known what they were getting themselves into. Women who believe themselves to be safe from male abuse can only maintain that belief by pretending that the women who are abused are completely different and separate from themselves.

    Also, the apologism for men is non-sensical – men don’t hate women, they just want to jerk off to them being abused? How does that work?

    And we shouldn’t blame men for the abuse they commit? Fuck off.

    If you really are a woman, I feel sorry for you, and I feel sorry for your daughters, I hope nothing bad ever happens to them, because they won’t have their mother to rely on for support.

  66. I mean seriously:

    “And by the way men do not hate women they just do not respect certain women which is why those types of women will never be their wives instead they will watch them getting abused and tucked and jerk off. How does that mean men hate women.”

    This is one of the most stupid things I have ever read, and I get a lot of idiots leaving their sad excuses for ‘thoughts’ on this blog.

  67. This sounds like an mra post, particularly the moral crusade against women in porn but not the male workforce or watchers. And the rant about elderly pervs as he puts it shows how out of touch he is with how the porn industry and its women and child hating agenda has gained strength within the young male audience who love the male superiority stance and the hate speech against women who have sex, which is pretty much all of us to one degree or another. Its like hating black people for eating but not white.

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